1 00:00:14,110 --> 00:00:11,839 Sunday November 14th 2004 morning 2 00:00:18,109 --> 00:00:14,120 the Nimitz deck crew is busy launching 3 00:00:20,929 --> 00:00:18,119 f-18s super hornets helicopters and e-2 4 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:20,939 Hawkeye electronic warfare planes the 5 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:29,789 mission will get back to that in a 6 00:00:34,940 --> 00:00:32,790 minute but first first this morning 7 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:34,950 we're going to be talking to Leslie King 8 00:00:41,299 --> 00:00:37,440 New York Times reporter who first 9 00:00:44,209 --> 00:00:41,309 reported on the Navy Department's 10 00:00:46,670 --> 00:00:44,219 release of UFO footage that really 11 00:00:50,779 --> 00:00:46,680 changed the world it was one of 12 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:50,789 history's most important stories and I'm 13 00:00:54,889 --> 00:00:52,710 very proud now that was Whitley Strieber 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:54,899 interviewing of course Leslie Cain who 15 00:01:00,650 --> 00:00:57,570 you've heard on this show who broke the 16 00:01:03,979 --> 00:01:00,660 New York Times story the obvious at 17 00:01:08,149 --> 00:01:03,989 least to me politically controlled SIOP 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:08,159 release of UFO information but I want to 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:10,890 play that clip because Whitley does put 20 00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:14,490 it in perspective this is the biggest 21 00:01:20,660 --> 00:01:17,100 news story ever 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:20,670 and if Whitley's to Alt alt media for 23 00:01:26,870 --> 00:01:25,290 you go to Fox News UFOs have captivated 24 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:26,880 the public interest for decades but 25 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:28,590 they've always been dismissed including 26 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:31,740 by me as the province of wackos but that 27 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:34,380 is changing thanks to some remarkable 28 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:36,240 videotape and first-hand accounts from 29 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:37,920 very sober people who are trained to 30 00:01:41,330 --> 00:01:39,329 identify aircraft 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:41,340 these are aircraft apparently that are 32 00:01:44,810 --> 00:01:42,450 moving in ways that appear to violate 33 00:01:46,969 --> 00:01:44,820 physics that are flying very differently 34 00:01:49,730 --> 00:01:46,979 from any aircraft ever observed and way 35 00:01:52,249 --> 00:01:49,740 faster than any plane that we know any 36 00:01:54,530 --> 00:01:52,259 foreign country has what is this that's 37 00:01:57,709 --> 00:01:54,540 of course Tucker Carlson doing amia 38 00:02:00,260 --> 00:01:57,719 coppa on the UFO thing so the point 39 00:02:03,740 --> 00:02:00,270 being how could this have happened right 40 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:03,750 under our noses right during our watch 41 00:02:12,979 --> 00:02:09,270 and why do so many people still not get 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:12,989 it well some people get it there by the 43 00:02:16,399 --> 00:02:14,010 guided missile 44 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:16,409 or USS Princeton has been tracking 45 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:19,080 unknown aircraft that appear and 46 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:21,870 disappear from her sophisticated Aegis 47 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:25,980 radar screens the spy-1 radar is one of 48 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:28,730 the most advanced sensors ever deployed 49 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:31,620 Princeton's main role is air defense of 50 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:33,840 the strike group for the past few days 51 00:02:39,470 --> 00:02:36,959 senior chief kevin day has noticed these 52 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:39,480 peculiar craft appearing on his radar 53 00:02:45,649 --> 00:02:43,110 screen that's today's guest kevin day 54 00:02:49,130 --> 00:02:45,659 20-year Navy veteran and Top Gun 55 00:02:52,970 --> 00:02:49,140 operator who was drawn right in the 56 00:02:55,490 --> 00:02:52,980 middle not only of the disclosure event 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:55,500 but into the middle of a contact 58 00:03:00,349 --> 00:02:58,170 experience after this now-famous 59 00:03:02,059 --> 00:03:00,359 commander flavor intercept happened I 60 00:03:03,470 --> 00:03:02,069 went back up into combat and I found one 61 00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:03,480 of these things on the radar and they 62 00:03:06,860 --> 00:03:05,040 got the Relling relative bearing from 63 00:03:08,119 --> 00:03:06,870 the ship I went up topside and they 64 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:08,129 looked at that thing through the bigeye 65 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:10,769 binoculars and I think that's the moment 66 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:12,750 when I if I had to say there was a 67 00:03:16,130 --> 00:03:14,970 moment that was probably it when I saw 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:16,140 with my eyeball 69 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:17,970 whatever affected me happened then I 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:20,310 mean when Chakotay told me that I was 71 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:22,290 incredibly important to what's about to 72 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:26,400 happen I didn't know what to think this 73 00:03:32,890 --> 00:03:30,000 is a multi-layered multi-dimensional 74 00:03:36,430 --> 00:03:32,900 multi tunnels down the rabbit hole 75 00:03:39,229 --> 00:03:36,440 adventure I'm tempted to try and 76 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:39,239 deconstruct it and pull it all apart but 77 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:41,010 it's another one of those where I 78 00:03:47,390 --> 00:03:43,980 probably need to just let it go and see 79 00:03:51,310 --> 00:03:47,400 where you take it stick around for my 80 00:03:58,790 --> 00:03:51,320 interview with Kevin day 81 00:04:04,290 --> 00:04:02,010 today we welcome Kevin day to skeptic Oh 82 00:04:06,780 --> 00:04:04,300 Kevin is a retired 20-year naval 83 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:06,790 operations specialist who worked aboard 84 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:09,850 all those big giant Navy ships that I 85 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:12,640 see off the coast of San Diego where I 86 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:13,330 live 87 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:15,760 but none of that prepared him for what 88 00:04:24,810 --> 00:04:20,140 he saw in 2004 when he was part of this 89 00:04:27,570 --> 00:04:24,820 huge UFO encounter that later just last 90 00:04:30,030 --> 00:04:27,580 year became the centerpiece for probably 91 00:04:34,830 --> 00:04:30,040 the biggest official UFO disclosure 92 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:34,840 rollout in history and since Kevin right 93 00:04:40,650 --> 00:04:37,810 here is the guy who really orchestrated 94 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:40,660 that whole event in terms of controlling 95 00:04:45,750 --> 00:04:42,580 all the planes and all the pilots and 96 00:04:47,970 --> 00:04:45,760 because that then eventually drew Kevin 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:47,980 into the spotlight last year when all 98 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:51,010 this thing became public I thought it 99 00:04:56,660 --> 00:04:53,950 was a great opportunity to have Kevin on 100 00:05:01,110 --> 00:04:56,670 skeptic oh and talk not only about that 101 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:01,120 but how that was just the beginning of a 102 00:05:08,430 --> 00:05:04,750 much deeper more complex in in many ways 103 00:05:11,610 --> 00:05:08,440 more disturbing story about what's 104 00:05:14,510 --> 00:05:11,620 really going on so Kevin with that long 105 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:14,520 somewhat stumbled through introduction 106 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:16,710 welcome thanks for joining me 107 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:19,390 well thanks for having me Alex I'm very 108 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:20,910 happy to be here with you today 109 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:24,070 well thanks let's start with just kind 110 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:28,120 of a basic who is Kevin day yeah 111 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:31,090 during the Navy in 86 had a pretty 112 00:05:35,340 --> 00:05:33,700 standard career I'd graduated pretty 113 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:35,350 highly in my in my school's when I 114 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:36,910 joined the Navy and I ended up getting 115 00:05:42,570 --> 00:05:39,370 orders to the USS then sends out to San 116 00:05:45,210 --> 00:05:42,580 Diego it was the first age of ship and I 117 00:05:46,770 --> 00:05:45,220 remained with a just my entire career 118 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:46,780 and the event you're talking about in 119 00:05:50,940 --> 00:05:49,120 2004 by the way I'll kind of jump ahead 120 00:05:52,740 --> 00:05:50,950 a little bit was happened to be my very 121 00:05:55,409 --> 00:05:52,750 last underway in the Navy and it was 122 00:05:56,970 --> 00:05:55,419 also my very last intercept I was 123 00:05:59,400 --> 00:05:56,980 calling him UFOs at the time because I 124 00:06:00,900 --> 00:05:59,410 didn't even know what a UAP was at the 125 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:00,910 time and you know because I was ever a 126 00:06:05,909 --> 00:06:03,610 UFO guy my whole life this happened to 127 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:05,919 me and I have had to learn very quickly 128 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:08,110 about all this whole subject over the 129 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:09,910 last few years yeah I thought that was 130 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:11,440 an interesting part of your story when 131 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:12,310 you said you 132 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:15,430 walked off of the ship in 2004 in San 133 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:19,060 Diego and said to yourself wow you know 134 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:21,430 this is all over and I just saw my first 135 00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:24,250 UFO and that especially is interesting 136 00:06:28,350 --> 00:06:26,680 given all the things that happen later 137 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:28,360 because that was kind of the beginning 138 00:06:32,340 --> 00:06:30,370 of your story but I don't want to jump 139 00:06:34,830 --> 00:06:32,350 too far ahead either so please go on 140 00:06:37,770 --> 00:06:34,840 yeah I know I immediately went to work 141 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:37,780 for a department of defense contractor 142 00:06:42,270 --> 00:06:39,610 removed to Phoenix with my family 143 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:42,280 and I you know the UFO thing really 144 00:06:46,020 --> 00:06:44,620 bugged me and I didn't I didn't even 145 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:46,030 know how to tell people about cuz I knew 146 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:47,890 no one was gonna believe me and in fact 147 00:06:51,690 --> 00:06:49,570 when I told my own family about it I 148 00:06:53,610 --> 00:06:51,700 kind of got the long look down the nose 149 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:53,620 like are you okay you know that that 150 00:06:57,750 --> 00:06:55,810 type of a reaction so I wrote I wrote a 151 00:06:59,370 --> 00:06:57,760 short story I fictionalized it to 152 00:07:01,320 --> 00:06:59,380 protect people still in uniform at the 153 00:07:03,270 --> 00:07:01,330 time and I published it in the Library 154 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:03,280 of Congress to provide some sort of 155 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:06,130 evidence if this story ever really did 156 00:07:10,380 --> 00:07:08,020 come to light let me just interject 157 00:07:12,810 --> 00:07:10,390 something here is a timetable thing 158 00:07:15,930 --> 00:07:12,820 because this is like an important detail 159 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:15,940 to me in the way this story rolls out 160 00:07:23,670 --> 00:07:19,360 and in the way it's presented to us this 161 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:23,680 event happens in 2004 the video that 162 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:26,050 eventually winds up making it and all 163 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:28,450 the news organizations and stuff was in 164 00:07:34,650 --> 00:07:31,690 your in basket and your email in basket 165 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:34,660 the next day in 2004 so now as you 166 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:37,570 described you leave the Navy but you're 167 00:07:44,660 --> 00:07:39,970 still trying to come to grips with what 168 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:44,670 happened and in 2008 four years later 169 00:07:50,670 --> 00:07:47,290 you published the account which anyone 170 00:07:53,460 --> 00:07:50,680 can go read that is you know it's it's 171 00:07:55,410 --> 00:07:53,470 fictionalized only in the to a certain 172 00:08:00,060 --> 00:07:55,420 extent it's a pretty good telling of 173 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:00,070 what happened and then in 2017 this 174 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:02,050 whole thing rolls out so people need to 175 00:08:07,710 --> 00:08:05,230 understand there's a lot of time that 176 00:08:10,170 --> 00:08:07,720 goes on in between here and sometimes 177 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:10,180 when it's presented particularly this 178 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:12,550 case is presented it all gets kind of 179 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:14,410 mashed together like all this just 180 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:17,890 happened how long has it been 14 15 181 00:08:22,830 --> 00:08:20,680 years now I didn't know what was wrong 182 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:22,840 with me I knew I had changed I knew my 183 00:08:26,020 --> 00:08:25,000 personality has changed I hesitate to 184 00:08:28,330 --> 00:08:26,030 say it that I can't 185 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:28,340 became smarter I became more prescient I 186 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:31,010 started having really strange dreams of 187 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:33,440 the end of the world type disaster 188 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:35,360 dreams out of the blue and that's really 189 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:36,950 what started this whole thing I started 190 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:38,870 having these dreams and um the dreams 191 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:40,430 themselves didn't really affect me that 192 00:08:45,130 --> 00:08:42,470 much because everyone has nightmares you 193 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:45,140 know you just kind of blow them off but 194 00:08:50,650 --> 00:08:47,690 remembering the dreams the next day or 195 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:50,660 two following it resurfaced some some 196 00:08:54,070 --> 00:08:52,160 more of my unpleasant memories from the 197 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:54,080 Navy and I started to experience that I 198 00:08:57,220 --> 00:08:56,000 can only describe his flashbacks I don't 199 00:08:59,290 --> 00:08:57,230 know how else to say it I would just 200 00:09:00,610 --> 00:08:59,300 stop and stare into space for a minute 201 00:09:02,350 --> 00:09:00,620 well I was having these these weird 202 00:09:04,510 --> 00:09:02,360 memories that's kind of how this whole 203 00:09:07,270 --> 00:09:04,520 thing kicked off it started to affect my 204 00:09:08,410 --> 00:09:07,280 work I ended up quitting my DoD job kind 205 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:08,420 of jumped out of that plane without a 206 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:11,270 chute looking back on it went to 207 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:13,790 Sacramento with my wife I ended up going 208 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:15,710 to school at Sac State during that time 209 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:18,110 my wife and I became separated and you 210 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:19,370 know looking back I don't blame her 211 00:09:23,770 --> 00:09:20,570 because I was probably acting pretty 212 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:23,780 strangely I graduated in 13 moving back 213 00:09:28,810 --> 00:09:26,690 to Oregon and ended up back on my 214 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:28,820 family's mining claim back in the county 215 00:09:33,220 --> 00:09:31,250 OPS's wilderness I had become obsessed 216 00:09:35,650 --> 00:09:33,230 with this idea that I could actually 217 00:09:38,470 --> 00:09:35,660 find the mother lode which strangely 218 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:38,480 enough I did youdid in what respect I 219 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:40,790 mean you found I'm not a I'm not a 220 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:43,570 geologist I had no background in geology 221 00:09:47,350 --> 00:09:45,650 no background in satellite 222 00:09:49,510 --> 00:09:47,360 interpretation none of that stuff but 223 00:09:51,670 --> 00:09:49,520 putting all that stuff together going in 224 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:51,680 and reviewing the literature of other 225 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:54,560 geologists I was able to deduce that my 226 00:09:59,350 --> 00:09:56,930 remaining claim actually sits on top of 227 00:10:01,420 --> 00:09:59,360 the massive sulphide deposit from a 228 00:10:03,730 --> 00:10:01,430 formation called the Josefina feel light 229 00:10:05,830 --> 00:10:03,740 which is a Cypress type of Aafia light 230 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:05,840 which is basically a hundred and fifty 231 00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:07,940 four million year old sea bottom that 232 00:10:11,470 --> 00:10:09,470 instead of going underneath the 233 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:11,480 continental plate it actually got stuck 234 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:13,210 on top the continental plate in the 235 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:16,010 entire section of land off to the west 236 00:10:21,550 --> 00:10:18,830 of my hometown here is completely loaded 237 00:10:24,730 --> 00:10:21,560 with rare earth elements and gold and 238 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:24,740 nobody really knew about it I discovered 239 00:10:28,570 --> 00:10:27,050 it there's some other geological things 240 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:28,580 like a I realized there was there had 241 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:30,230 been a massive landslide so I was able 242 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:33,110 to describe that kind of back it up a 243 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:34,970 little bit there is a paper written by 244 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:38,240 doctors Valley and dr. Davis's I've got 245 00:10:42,970 --> 00:10:39,800 the exact name of it but it 246 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:42,980 basically categorizes the type of high 247 00:10:47,170 --> 00:10:45,529 strangeness they called it the people 248 00:10:49,329 --> 00:10:47,180 encountered after you know the post 249 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:49,339 effects from observing you ap or even 250 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:50,990 the consciousness behind the you Epis 251 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:53,120 can I jump in there for a second I want 252 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:54,649 to interject a couple things because I 253 00:10:58,900 --> 00:10:56,570 kind of pulled you a little bit as an 254 00:11:00,639 --> 00:10:58,910 aside on the motherlode thing because 255 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:00,649 it's just interesting somebody says they 256 00:11:05,019 --> 00:11:02,839 discovered the mother lode and you know 257 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:05,029 you got to ask that question so that's 258 00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:07,610 totally to the side of this story but it 259 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:09,680 was interesting when I asked you you had 260 00:11:13,660 --> 00:11:11,180 a pretty good answer there you obviously 261 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:13,670 have done some real geological kind of 262 00:11:17,590 --> 00:11:15,920 investigation and yeah and it's it's 263 00:11:18,130 --> 00:11:17,600 strangely connected to this story too 264 00:11:21,130 --> 00:11:18,140 but go ahead 265 00:11:24,490 --> 00:11:21,140 all right Wow okay I'm dying to hear 266 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:24,500 that how it's connected but I just want 267 00:11:29,019 --> 00:11:26,000 to make sure when we make some of these 268 00:11:32,170 --> 00:11:29,029 jumps that people follow us because now 269 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:32,180 you're referring to the paper of dr. 270 00:11:36,579 --> 00:11:33,950 jacques filet which is a name that 271 00:11:39,370 --> 00:11:36,589 everyone will immediately recognize and 272 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:39,380 the he published along with davis and 273 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:42,769 they what they studied was all these 274 00:11:48,190 --> 00:11:46,010 people who have had these encounters in 275 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:48,200 one way or another with i always use the 276 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:51,529 term UFO because the UAP thing I think 277 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:53,120 always just throws people for a loop and 278 00:11:57,340 --> 00:11:55,550 we got to go with what people are common 279 00:11:59,920 --> 00:11:57,350 with but they're both the same but these 280 00:12:02,829 --> 00:11:59,930 people who have these encounters and 281 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:02,839 then lo and behold they they just it 282 00:12:06,940 --> 00:12:04,490 seems random to them but they seem to 283 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:06,950 have all these experiences extraordinary 284 00:12:11,710 --> 00:12:09,110 experiences psychic experiences 285 00:12:14,710 --> 00:12:11,720 telekinesis experiences that kind of 286 00:12:16,750 --> 00:12:14,720 dream experiences that you had all sorts 287 00:12:19,510 --> 00:12:16,760 of things but what I wanted to link that 288 00:12:22,569 --> 00:12:19,520 back to because you just kind of brushed 289 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:22,579 over this as part of the story is you're 290 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:25,640 really suffering here after this and a 291 00:12:30,310 --> 00:12:27,140 lot of these things that you're 292 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:30,320 experiencing I think people would chock 293 00:12:36,329 --> 00:12:33,680 up to as PTSD post-traumatic stress 294 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:36,339 disorder that unfortunately so many 295 00:12:41,949 --> 00:12:39,410 servicemen and women are experiencing 296 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:41,959 today and more importantly and this is 297 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:43,610 kind of a part of your story have 298 00:12:48,790 --> 00:12:46,130 experience throughout time right so you 299 00:12:51,069 --> 00:12:48,800 go back in your daughter right World War 300 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:51,079 two that's a yes you talk to Korean vets 301 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:53,630 yes also this is a part of war 302 00:12:59,500 --> 00:12:56,810 but you know my my question that I'm 303 00:13:02,830 --> 00:12:59,510 wondering if you've probed this have you 304 00:13:08,050 --> 00:13:02,840 found that what you experienced in terms 305 00:13:12,010 --> 00:13:08,060 of PTSD was in any way different because 306 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:12,020 of the UFO encounter and did other 307 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:15,410 people onboard that ship or on board 308 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:18,890 those aircraft have similar experiences 309 00:13:27,700 --> 00:13:22,550 that you have a hunch are specifically 310 00:13:30,370 --> 00:13:27,710 tied to that experience in 2004 I guess 311 00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:30,380 the short answer is no and yes I didn't 312 00:13:36,940 --> 00:13:35,180 really relate a UFO thing at all to the 313 00:13:39,010 --> 00:13:36,950 problems that was having and that that 314 00:13:40,780 --> 00:13:39,020 happened just recently when I discovered 315 00:13:43,210 --> 00:13:40,790 it hey maybe I'm not crazy after all 316 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:43,220 maybe there was a real reason why this 317 00:13:47,230 --> 00:13:45,290 thing happened to me who I am why I've 318 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:47,240 changed but that that's only been 319 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:48,800 recently I've struggled I struggle with 320 00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:50,390 thing just said for years and years and 321 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:53,240 years all on my own in fact the as you 322 00:13:58,510 --> 00:13:55,730 know the VA diagnosed me with a complex 323 00:14:01,240 --> 00:13:58,520 case of PTSD and all these years I just 324 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:01,250 kind of figured I was just having 325 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:03,530 trouble adjusting back to civilian life 326 00:14:09,130 --> 00:14:05,810 and I had failed myself and everyone 327 00:14:11,410 --> 00:14:09,140 else and now Kevin as you've connected 328 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:11,420 more and this is to use your term 329 00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:13,130 jumping ahead in the story but I know 330 00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:15,680 from listening to other interviews with 331 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:18,560 you you've formed a connection with 332 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:21,530 other servicemen and women who were on 333 00:14:27,190 --> 00:14:24,710 board the ships that and planes that 334 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:27,200 were a part of this 2004 encounter are 335 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:30,910 they telling you anything that confirms 336 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:33,650 some of the what you've experienced as 337 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:36,770 being part of the overall phenomena I 338 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:39,800 don't know of any specific cases I've 339 00:14:44,260 --> 00:14:42,470 heard rumors from well when Lou 340 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:44,270 Elizondo came to see me he told me that 341 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:45,770 he had talked to other people that were 342 00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:48,170 experiencing similar things to me but 343 00:14:51,550 --> 00:14:49,640 you know he didn't tell me any names and 344 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:51,560 and I'm not really surprised by that cuz 345 00:14:56,650 --> 00:14:53,900 this it's a really personal thing and I 346 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:56,660 just it's a hard thing to admit you know 347 00:15:00,850 --> 00:14:59,090 that you're having problems like that I 348 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:00,860 mean it's a real tough thing to admit 349 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:03,920 publicly and and totally inside of the 350 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:06,600 Navy macho Top Gun 351 00:15:12,199 --> 00:15:08,970 culture it's even harder right yeah and 352 00:15:14,210 --> 00:15:12,209 I I decided to do it basically to I 353 00:15:17,689 --> 00:15:14,220 don't know I to throw myself under the 354 00:15:19,639 --> 00:15:17,699 bus so other people can avoid going 355 00:15:20,749 --> 00:15:19,649 through what I went through and I think 356 00:15:22,249 --> 00:15:20,759 that's part of the problem here because 357 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:22,259 some of these some of these these 358 00:15:26,180 --> 00:15:24,240 effects and I don't know why it happens 359 00:15:28,430 --> 00:15:26,190 it could be a result of the technology 360 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,440 itself it could be a result of just a 361 00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:30,240 pure shock a having your world turned 362 00:15:34,189 --> 00:15:32,639 upside down or it could be the 363 00:15:36,139 --> 00:15:34,199 consciousness that is apparently behind 364 00:15:37,699 --> 00:15:36,149 this phenomenon I don't really don't 365 00:15:39,259 --> 00:15:37,709 know but I actually don't think it 366 00:15:41,329 --> 00:15:39,269 really matters that much because I know 367 00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:41,339 it's real I know it changes you in 368 00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:43,740 extraordinary ways you can change you 369 00:15:48,829 --> 00:15:45,630 physically and mentally and if you don't 370 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:48,839 know that's happening it's the effects 371 00:15:52,939 --> 00:15:51,630 are so insidious you could lead you to 372 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,949 believe that you're going crazy perhaps 373 00:15:57,949 --> 00:15:55,440 and other people notice it too and isn't 374 00:16:00,860 --> 00:15:57,959 that really the point of the research 375 00:16:04,449 --> 00:16:00,870 that valet and Davis published is they 376 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:04,459 did a systematic scientific study to say 377 00:16:09,499 --> 00:16:07,620 hey these things are not just random 378 00:16:12,970 --> 00:16:09,509 there seems to be a correlation here and 379 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:12,980 it seems to be somehow related to this 380 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:15,529 phenomenon that we can't really 381 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:17,790 understand completely but we're just 382 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:19,769 kind of playing around with 383 00:16:24,499 --> 00:16:23,430 understanding so and I I think that you 384 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:24,509 know the other part of your story is 385 00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:26,850 you're alluding to you're getting 386 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:30,899 contact with folks inside the government 387 00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:34,110 slash military who are rolling out this 388 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:35,790 information and they're kind of nudging 389 00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:38,670 you in a direction towards there is 390 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:42,000 something Kevin that is real about what 391 00:16:46,730 --> 00:16:44,370 you're experiencing right they're kind 392 00:16:49,129 --> 00:16:46,740 of mirroring back to you some 393 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:49,139 confirmation of what you're experiencing 394 00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:52,680 right yeah and in the spring of 2016 395 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:55,560 I was befriended by a couple guys 396 00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:58,410 through another friend it's kind of an 397 00:17:03,259 --> 00:17:01,199 interesting story in itself their name 398 00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:03,269 was shocked at Ian Forrest they never 399 00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,799 did tell me their last names but anyway 400 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:06,480 they were extremely interested in my 401 00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:09,510 mining claim and their cover story was 402 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:11,640 they wanted to do trains spec ops 403 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:13,500 because it's so damn rugged back in 404 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:14,970 those mountains and they thought it was 405 00:17:18,189 --> 00:17:17,130 a perfect place to do spec ops but at 406 00:17:20,030 --> 00:17:18,199 this point I was already kind of 407 00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:20,040 suspicious of these guys cuz they were 408 00:17:21,770 --> 00:17:20,760 still 409 00:17:25,010 --> 00:17:21,780 that they were telling me didn't really 410 00:17:26,570 --> 00:17:25,020 add up that well and so Eddie in a way I 411 00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:26,580 took my cousin and some of our other 412 00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:28,380 friends we went up to the mountains and 413 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:31,140 I took him back I took him back there to 414 00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:32,910 the mining claim and I'm I'm not really 415 00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:35,520 sure why at this point I don't know if 416 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:37,140 they're interested in the earth elements 417 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:39,510 or back there or they were just trying 418 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,170 to convince me that they weren't really 419 00:17:46,220 --> 00:17:44,160 visiting me for the reason that it 420 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:46,230 turned out that they did visit me which 421 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:48,210 was about the tic-tacs I didn't know 422 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:50,490 that till recently but anyway this that 423 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:52,890 mining claim is is oddly connected to 424 00:17:56,780 --> 00:17:54,450 this thing and in fact when I told you 425 00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:56,790 that I found the mother lode I think I 426 00:18:02,690 --> 00:17:59,760 did I think I was able to find it as a 427 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,700 direct result of my the changes that had 428 00:18:06,890 --> 00:18:05,280 happened to me I displayed pieces of the 429 00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:06,900 puzzle we'll just popped into my head 430 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:09,600 out of nowhere and I was able to figure 431 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,940 it out and I think I was helped somehow 432 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:14,160 I'm a lot damn smarter than I used to be 433 00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:17,190 I hesitate to say that no no I would 434 00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:21,150 probably laugh at me but it's apparently 435 00:18:25,130 --> 00:18:23,640 true and I I think those effects is one 436 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:25,140 of the things that helped me discover 437 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:27,750 that the things that I discovered out in 438 00:18:32,030 --> 00:18:30,570 that wilderness as it turns out now Luke 439 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:32,040 confirmed this to me when they came to 440 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:34,170 visit me over the summer over what 441 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:36,450 summer this past summer Lou and Tom 442 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:40,350 DeLonge came to my house your enjoy 2018 443 00:18:47,180 --> 00:18:44,570 and they film me for an upcoming TV 444 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:47,190 special that's yet to be announced and 445 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:49,470 so I really can't say too much about it 446 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:52,410 but I'm gonna be on one of the national 447 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:55,650 TV networks as a part of a series that 448 00:19:00,350 --> 00:18:58,890 they're doing anyway they confirmed that 449 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:00,360 these guys yeah they came to see you 450 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:02,910 about tip-cat Kevin they shall hold it 451 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:05,160 hold it we got it we gotta pull that 452 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:07,290 apart I mean that's the one thing that I 453 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:09,690 think yeah yeah right I mean because 454 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:11,820 this is this is the stuff that drives 455 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:15,090 folks crazy and folks like me crazy 456 00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,790 and then in turn drives listeners crazy 457 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:20,160 because there's so much information and 458 00:19:23,780 --> 00:19:21,930 it's the way you fill through the 459 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:23,790 information the way you package it the 460 00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:24,990 way you put it together the way you 461 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:27,840 process it makes all the difference in 462 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:29,700 the world I go back to the timeline 463 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:31,350 Kevin that we have to drill into 464 00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:34,200 people's head 2004 465 00:19:40,099 --> 00:19:37,799 you're out in the ocean and you and a 466 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:40,109 bunch of other people probably a hundred 467 00:19:45,019 --> 00:19:43,080 people in total witness and experience 468 00:19:48,379 --> 00:19:45,029 probably one of the most extraordinary 469 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:48,389 UFO encounters in naval history although 470 00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:50,850 we don't know because they don't reveal 471 00:19:56,509 --> 00:19:53,580 this stuff when it does happen there's 472 00:19:59,749 --> 00:19:56,519 all these crafts and they're flying in 473 00:20:02,840 --> 00:19:59,759 this extraordinary way you know flying 474 00:20:05,149 --> 00:20:02,850 from 57,000 feet down to the surface of 475 00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:05,159 the ocean in a second and then flying 476 00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:08,159 back up and moving and going in places 477 00:20:14,389 --> 00:20:11,700 where people are thinking they might go 478 00:20:16,609 --> 00:20:14,399 or shouldn't go and all this telekinesis 479 00:20:18,889 --> 00:20:16,619 kind of stuff going on so this is all 480 00:20:21,349 --> 00:20:18,899 this crazy stuff and it happens in 2004 481 00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:21,359 you walk off the ship and go wow that 482 00:20:25,940 --> 00:20:22,980 was my last true that was my last 483 00:20:27,619 --> 00:20:25,950 intercept mission and I had this at UFO 484 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:27,629 experience then you start having all 485 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:29,609 these UFO experiences you write a book 486 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,080 in 2008 everything goes away and in 2016 487 00:20:40,999 --> 00:20:37,320 a year before they roll this story out 488 00:20:42,769 --> 00:20:41,009 in every major paper including the New 489 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:42,779 York Times which they never let us 490 00:20:46,580 --> 00:20:44,190 forget that they rolled it out in the 491 00:20:49,129 --> 00:20:46,590 New York Times you're visited by two 492 00:20:50,899 --> 00:20:49,139 guys you've gone through all this stuff 493 00:20:52,609 --> 00:20:50,909 you go through hell and back you've kind 494 00:20:54,739 --> 00:20:52,619 of completely forgotten about this stuff 495 00:20:57,499 --> 00:20:54,749 it isn't in the public domain you're not 496 00:20:59,479 --> 00:20:57,509 in the spotlight and these two guys come 497 00:21:03,320 --> 00:20:59,489 and visit you and say we want to look at 498 00:21:06,739 --> 00:21:03,330 your mind and then a year later you're 499 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:06,749 visited by Tom DeLonge and he says yeah 500 00:21:10,369 --> 00:21:08,190 that's what those guys were about and 501 00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:10,379 then six months later they roll this 502 00:21:14,479 --> 00:21:13,320 thing out in the New York Times this is 503 00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:14,489 an unbelievable story 504 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:19,919 yeah yeah that I was actually working at 505 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:21,720 the golf course I'm volunteering it 506 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:23,609 locally here I'm trying to save it from 507 00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:25,950 bankruptcy which we did by the way which 508 00:21:29,479 --> 00:21:27,419 is another part of this story but anyway 509 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:29,489 I was waiting tables for free one day in 510 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:32,100 the CNN story broke and that was 511 00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:35,220 December what was at December 17 now or 512 00:21:38,899 --> 00:21:37,470 18 I'm sorry because I've said the wrong 513 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:38,909 date a couple times folks and I 514 00:21:44,029 --> 00:21:42,210 apologize it was December of 2017 a 515 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:44,039 little bit more than a year ago please 516 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:47,129 go ahead and so anyway I you know it 517 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:47,910 stunned me 518 00:21:52,790 --> 00:21:51,510 like oh [\h__\h] really I went home and I 519 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:52,800 got on the computer and I found a 520 00:21:58,460 --> 00:21:55,590 youtube video that Robert Powell had 521 00:22:00,920 --> 00:21:58,470 produced and I ended up leaving a note 522 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:00,930 you know on the YouTube chat section and 523 00:22:06,530 --> 00:22:04,470 he ended up contacting me and everything 524 00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:06,540 kind of went from there my life changed 525 00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,900 again and I was able to finally figure 526 00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,280 out what the hell had happened to me 527 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:13,200 what do you mean by that what did you 528 00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:15,930 figure out happened well shaaka Tate was 529 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:17,700 kind of I think he wanted to tell me why 530 00:22:21,170 --> 00:22:19,110 he was everybody couldn't for some 531 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,180 reason I don't know why but he left 532 00:22:25,790 --> 00:22:23,760 enough hints that I was able to figure 533 00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:25,800 it out later I think Chakotay in forest 534 00:22:30,860 --> 00:22:28,860 and probably others too knew that I was 535 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:30,870 under the influence of Valley Davis 536 00:22:36,410 --> 00:22:34,320 post-effects long before I ever did I 537 00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:36,420 didn't even know who'd Valle Davis was 538 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:39,870 until just several months ago but he 539 00:22:43,940 --> 00:22:41,970 left he left me hints um some of those 540 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:43,950 things that he said just kind of shook 541 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:45,540 me right before they left and I never 542 00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:46,950 saw him again after that he looked me 543 00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:49,260 right in the eye he was emotional and he 544 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:52,020 said Kevin you are incredibly important 545 00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:53,610 to what's about to happen that's the 546 00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:55,620 last thing he ever said to me this is 547 00:23:00,620 --> 00:22:59,400 just really really wild stuff I didn't 548 00:23:03,290 --> 00:23:00,630 know what the hell he was talking about 549 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:03,300 okay well we've heard this stuff over 550 00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:05,250 and over again and it's also interesting 551 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:08,220 how it matches up to your dreams and I'm 552 00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:11,370 not suggesting that we take it on the 553 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:13,940 surface level cuz we don't know how many 554 00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:16,890 tricks they have up their sleeve or how 555 00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:18,990 much of this is manipulation how much of 556 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:21,000 it is totally genuine how much of this 557 00:23:25,910 --> 00:23:23,370 is directed by some higher consciousness 558 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:25,920 how much of it is imitating and 559 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,810 counterfeiting some higher intelligence 560 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,760 in order to make us feel like we're part 561 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:32,100 of some greater spiritual truth I mean 562 00:23:38,030 --> 00:23:35,100 isn't all that stuff's on the table from 563 00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:38,040 your experience oh absolutely 564 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:40,380 um and I haven't discounted the 565 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:42,210 possibility that I could be crazy you 566 00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,650 know to be honest with you completely 567 00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:45,840 honest about it well Kevin you know what 568 00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:50,280 they say I mean people who doubt their 569 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,340 own sanity in a lucid straightforward 570 00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:56,400 way like you are it's the surest sign 571 00:24:00,800 --> 00:23:59,100 that they're not crazy it's like what 572 00:24:01,370 --> 00:24:00,810 someone could break down the whole thing 573 00:24:03,050 --> 00:24:01,380 in 574 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:03,060 analyze it and say gee I don't know if 575 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:04,710 I'm crazy when all those crazy things 576 00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:06,150 have happened to you that's the surest 577 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:08,940 sign of sanity that you can have I hope 578 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:09,330 so 579 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:12,810 Davis post-effects of course I was drawn 580 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:14,310 to that possibility because I don't want 581 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:16,410 to think I'm crazy either the effects 582 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:19,050 that I've experienced um exactly mirror 583 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:22,770 with those two physicists wrote some of 584 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:24,690 the things that have happened to me you 585 00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:26,130 asked me earlier if others you know on 586 00:24:29,660 --> 00:24:28,230 the in the strike group have experienced 587 00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,670 the same thing I've heard rumors that 588 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:32,640 yes that they have but I just I just 589 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:34,760 don't know who and to what extent 590 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:37,260 perhaps I'll find out soon but I right 591 00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:39,930 now I don't know but I have to suspect 592 00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:42,630 that's the case you know Kevin this show 593 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:45,480 skeptic OH is about or at least where I 594 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:48,090 always try and take it is this crossover 595 00:24:55,820 --> 00:24:51,570 between science and spirituality and I 596 00:24:59,360 --> 00:24:55,830 think your case in so many ways is that 597 00:25:02,300 --> 00:24:59,370 path because here you are amassed in 598 00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:02,310 this unbelievably technical environment 599 00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:05,340 I mean the tools that you use that you 600 00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:09,000 were a super expert in among the best of 601 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:11,880 anyone in our in our armed forces that 602 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:14,370 using this technology and understanding 603 00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:16,410 this technology so you were in that 604 00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:20,460 world but what is being hinted at here 605 00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:23,550 is a spiritual dimension that you've 606 00:25:27,650 --> 00:25:26,040 been pulled into too and I guess I have 607 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:27,660 to stop there and ask are you 608 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,470 comfortable with the term spiritual in 609 00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:33,840 that sense or is that maybe taking it in 610 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:35,580 the wrong direction when we talk about 611 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:40,340 these extraordinary kind of non-physical 612 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:43,290 metaphysical experiences that you're 613 00:25:48,530 --> 00:25:46,130 having how do you feel about the the 614 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:48,540 spirituality part of this do you think 615 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,960 there's anything to that I absolutely do 616 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:54,120 I was back in that wilderness and for 617 00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:56,910 some reason I I just felt a huge sense 618 00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:58,740 of gratitude and I started thanking God 619 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:00,840 a lot and I've never been a religious 620 00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:03,090 person ever since I was a little kid I 621 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:05,100 just I mean I've always believed in God 622 00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,290 but I just I just felt compelled to tell 623 00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:08,640 God thanks and that was the only 624 00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:10,440 conversation that I had with him I'd 625 00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:11,880 ever asked him for anything even though 626 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:13,920 I was pretty down and out at the time 627 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,130 but I just 628 00:26:18,330 --> 00:26:16,960 I felt embarrassed to ask God for 629 00:26:21,509 --> 00:26:18,340 anything because I'd already been given 630 00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:21,519 everything so I just said thank you 631 00:26:27,149 --> 00:26:24,009 that's kind of when I started to realize 632 00:26:30,749 --> 00:26:27,159 that well actually my cousin my cousin 633 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,759 is the one that first noticed it we 634 00:26:34,379 --> 00:26:32,320 would we would actually play games with 635 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:34,389 it I apparently have the ability to 636 00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:36,490 manifest stuff and that's the only way I 637 00:26:40,019 --> 00:26:37,929 can describe it now maybe that's not 638 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:40,029 really what's happening maybe it's 639 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:42,460 actually retrocausality that I can 640 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:44,169 actually see the future that feels like 641 00:26:48,269 --> 00:26:46,450 a manifesting stuff right so give kind 642 00:26:49,769 --> 00:26:48,279 of ordinary examples of saying I love 643 00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,779 you up on them we'd be up in the 644 00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:52,240 mountains and on that subject us say ice 645 00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:54,669 cream would come up right and we in the 646 00:26:58,369 --> 00:26:55,990 next day our friend would show up with 647 00:27:00,690 --> 00:26:58,379 ice cream up on the mountain or 648 00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:00,700 cigarettes for my cousin or a beer for 649 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,820 my cousin or hey and we started playing 650 00:27:06,869 --> 00:27:05,200 games with it he would he would say 651 00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:06,879 something around really random like 652 00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:08,740 marbles and within a day or two that 653 00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:11,649 marbles made their appearance somehow 654 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:14,230 you know this is somehow ended working 655 00:27:19,379 --> 00:27:16,990 out and this stuff is easy to kind of 656 00:27:21,149 --> 00:27:19,389 dismiss especially in the retelling of 657 00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:21,159 it and I've encountered this a bunch of 658 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:23,500 times you know it's like there's there's 659 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:26,110 just this huge difference from being a 660 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,110 part of it and being in the middle of 661 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:31,600 these synchronistic and syncro 662 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:34,120 spiritualistic kind of experiences and 663 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:36,370 kind of telling it and someone goes well 664 00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:37,929 gosh you know that happens all the day 665 00:27:43,649 --> 00:27:40,929 and you're like no yeah it isn't like 666 00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:43,659 that man you have to have felt it right 667 00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:45,070 I mean is that's I get a sense that 668 00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:47,620 that's kind of what oh yeah and it's 669 00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:50,440 it's still happening um so anyway we we 670 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:52,750 got chased off the mountain winter came 671 00:27:58,409 --> 00:27:55,990 and we I ended up a friend's ranch down 672 00:28:01,980 --> 00:27:58,419 here in the valley and I was there for 673 00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:01,990 living in an 18-foot 1974 travel trailer 674 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:03,909 right you know I had I had but I 675 00:28:07,289 --> 00:28:05,710 completely busted down you know I I was 676 00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,299 down and out and there I found myself 677 00:28:11,070 --> 00:28:09,039 anyway that the second house on his 678 00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:11,080 ranch became available for rent and he 679 00:28:14,669 --> 00:28:12,700 ended up renting it to someone else and 680 00:28:16,409 --> 00:28:14,679 I understood because the other guy had 681 00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:16,419 him a lot better offer than I had and 682 00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:18,700 all that so anyway at that moment I just 683 00:28:21,690 --> 00:28:20,230 said I was gonna go fine I was in to go 684 00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:21,700 into town I was gonna find me a house 685 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:25,720 and within two hours I had I went to eat 686 00:28:28,409 --> 00:28:26,590 breakfast I was looking on Craigslist 687 00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:28,419 because I wanted to find something for 688 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:28,870 sale by 689 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:30,730 with this no small down paying that type 690 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:32,650 thing and there was nothing I ordered 691 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:34,570 breakfast and got done eating went back 692 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:37,140 on Craigslist and there was house and 693 00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:39,490 strangely enough I knew the house I'd 694 00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:41,350 been there many many times when I was a 695 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:43,000 little boy mm-hmm 696 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:45,190 I'm sorry this this kind of it's kind of 697 00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,190 emotional for me I get it right and 698 00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:51,279 because I my mom used to taking out 699 00:28:59,549 --> 00:28:53,470 there and the old lady really liked now 700 00:29:01,710 --> 00:28:59,559 was six years old and I went out I build 701 00:29:04,169 --> 00:29:01,720 him they email me right back 702 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:04,179 they I met him out the house and within 703 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:06,820 within one day I was in escrow talk 704 00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,740 about a miracle right there emailing 705 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:10,480 somebody on Craigslist and having an 706 00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:12,730 email you right back that's somewhat of 707 00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:17,740 a man yeah absolutely and you know I 708 00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:19,480 bought the house it was an incredible 709 00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:20,860 deal I don't still don't know why they 710 00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:23,559 sold it so cheap it was like the best 711 00:29:27,539 --> 00:29:25,390 some of the best farmland anywhere in 712 00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:27,549 this valley it was one of the original 713 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:29,169 homesteads out there in the Holland Loop 714 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:32,409 area I intended to stay there for the 715 00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,090 rest of my life because I liked it out 716 00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:36,399 there grew up out in the area and I knew 717 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:39,880 the house and I felt like home so anyway 718 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:41,080 I was in a home again I started 719 00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:43,090 volunteering at the golf course because 720 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:45,820 I wanted to help save it from bankruptcy 721 00:29:49,769 --> 00:29:48,190 and I met a little gentleman 722 00:29:51,899 --> 00:29:49,779 I met a whole bunch of people there that 723 00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:51,909 really helped me out and one of them was 724 00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:54,820 an Old World War two vet and we both had 725 00:29:58,019 --> 00:29:56,470 both served in Pearl Harbor he was there 726 00:29:59,639 --> 00:29:58,029 when the Japanese attacked he was on 727 00:30:01,799 --> 00:29:59,649 that submarine that was out to sea when 728 00:30:03,299 --> 00:30:01,809 they came in but he came back they came 729 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:03,309 back into part he was doing rescue with 730 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:05,890 assistance and so we had a lot of 731 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:08,470 stories we and then he passed then I 732 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:10,450 didn't know it at the time until later 733 00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:12,520 but he had told his family that to give 734 00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,740 me a chance to buy his house and it's 735 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:16,240 one of the best houses in this whole 736 00:30:20,909 --> 00:30:18,370 valley and so when I was given the 737 00:30:22,919 --> 00:30:20,919 opportunity I I put in a no I'm not a 738 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:22,929 marijuana grower myself I just not my 739 00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:23,250 thing 740 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:27,340 but I put in a offense in my old house I 741 00:30:31,649 --> 00:30:29,110 put in an irrigation system and I told 742 00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:31,659 the local realtor here to sell it as a 743 00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:34,140 turnkey farm he sold it in four hours 744 00:30:39,149 --> 00:30:36,520 for a hundred and seventy five thousand 745 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:39,159 dollars cash and I had only owned it for 746 00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:42,450 two years and my wife's back with me 747 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,980 fantastic and it's super glad to hear 748 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:47,200 that you've bounced back you went 749 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:49,450 through quite and quite an ordeal with 750 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:51,970 this thing what do you think looking 751 00:30:57,450 --> 00:30:54,430 back just over the last year and a half 752 00:31:00,780 --> 00:30:57,460 or a year and I guess you're in a couple 753 00:31:05,910 --> 00:31:00,790 months what do you think was going on 754 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:05,920 with the rollout of this story and what 755 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:08,170 do you make of your involvement in it 756 00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:10,090 because you know another aspect of this 757 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:12,940 that maybe you could touch on is in one 758 00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:14,890 of the prior interviews I heard with you 759 00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:17,590 you kind of got pulled into this because 760 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,300 the story was going in a different 761 00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:21,760 direction in terms of when this thing 762 00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:23,710 rolls out and it looks from all 763 00:31:29,010 --> 00:31:26,020 indication to me that this was a planned 764 00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:29,020 orchestrated rollout of the UFO thing 765 00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:31,660 they wanted this to be the event because 766 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:33,280 the event had happened long ago but they 767 00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:35,170 just kind of built it up and made this 768 00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:37,240 the thing but when it came out it didn't 769 00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:39,429 go as they expected and a lot of people 770 00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:42,280 started just challenging it on this kind 771 00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:44,980 of hyper skeptical kind of route and 772 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:46,870 it's almost like you got pulled into can 773 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:49,330 to defend some of the servicemen in the 774 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:52,090 airmen who were a part of it could you 775 00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:54,130 elaborate on that part of the story one 776 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,990 of the things that happened is once I 777 00:32:00,900 --> 00:31:58,720 kind of came up publicly I discovered a 778 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:00,910 Facebook group there called a tip just 779 00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:03,610 like the Pentagon program and threw 780 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:05,830 people on that website there's like two 781 00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:07,870 hundred and 60 some-odd members it's a 782 00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:11,080 close group with very well-known names 783 00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:13,929 and people in that group like Dave Dave 784 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:15,580 Beattie he just did the Nimitz encounter 785 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,710 video that's on YouTube and for anyone 786 00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:19,120 listening if you haven't seen that video 787 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:21,400 is called the Nimitz Encounters it's got 788 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:23,230 like a million and a half to use just in 789 00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:25,270 the last few months George Knapp is 790 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:27,640 there Jeremy Corbyn shows up once in a 791 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:30,460 while I mean no Diane polka just joined 792 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:32,950 the new author of American cosmetic 793 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:34,450 talked to her a little bit about this 794 00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:36,790 and she was just wowed by it too but 795 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:38,620 she's been very busy I haven't really 796 00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:39,970 had a chance to really talk to her eat 797 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:42,700 that much yet but long story short I 798 00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:44,650 through the help of Dave and the people 799 00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:47,260 on that a tip site we've slowly been 800 00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:49,929 surely been finding other witnesses and 801 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:51,520 other people have started to come 802 00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,590 forward to tell their story and back us 803 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:55,600 all up pretty much I'd have to say we're 804 00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,110 all pretty 805 00:33:01,049 --> 00:32:58,960 telling pretty much just the same story 806 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:01,059 they're little iterations here and there 807 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:03,970 you know I was never asked to sign a 808 00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:06,280 nondisclosure agreement that apparently 809 00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:08,590 some of the witnesses were I'm not sure 810 00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:11,230 why somewhere in some work but I I was 811 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:13,000 never told not to talk about I was I 812 00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,890 never signed any disclosure agreement 813 00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:16,960 promising I wouldn't talk about it 814 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:19,420 and the good news is in March at the UFO 815 00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:22,210 Megacon in Nevada Laughlin Nevada at 816 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:24,160 then very last week of March we're gonna 817 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:26,590 have a military witness panel even now 818 00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:27,730 we're still fighting people who are 819 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:29,140 gonna join us at that panel 820 00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:30,850 Robert caveat is gonna be the moderator 821 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:32,980 in we're gonna talk about what happened 822 00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:34,990 my whole goal and I'm trying to tell 823 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:37,059 everyone we pretty much our function is 824 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:39,490 to confirm that the Tic Tac II that 825 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:42,190 actually really happened and try to stay 826 00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:44,200 away from any speculation on what it was 827 00:33:47,010 --> 00:33:44,980 because this 828 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:47,020 I've always felt that's not really my 829 00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:48,970 role I I just want to get the story out 830 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:50,470 there and make people understand that 831 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,410 yes this really did happen and there 832 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:56,080 really is something in our skies and I 833 00:33:59,730 --> 00:33:57,730 think that we need to find out what it 834 00:34:01,980 --> 00:33:59,740 is okay let's say that disclosure or 835 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:01,990 confirmation happens on a real wide 836 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:05,350 scale and six billion people all go 837 00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:07,330 through what I went through because of 838 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:09,639 encounters with this thing is you're at 839 00:34:13,859 --> 00:34:11,290 least a possibility that's not gonna end 840 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:13,869 well I'm not sure what we have to do but 841 00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:16,210 I think people need to be warned ahead 842 00:34:20,099 --> 00:34:17,350 of time what they're about to go through 843 00:34:22,409 --> 00:34:20,109 see I'm not sure what we should do or 844 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:22,419 what we have to do I think is just the 845 00:34:27,810 --> 00:34:25,720 awareness I think just being aware cuz 846 00:34:29,129 --> 00:34:27,820 it helped me tremendously I'm I'm a 847 00:34:31,139 --> 00:34:29,139 different person now than I was a year 848 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:31,149 ago because I now I understand what the 849 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,830 hell happened to me that part was 850 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:34,960 missing before you know right and that's 851 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:36,730 great and that's your personal journey 852 00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:39,129 in your personal spiritual journey and 853 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:42,520 you know I mean I just don't know where 854 00:34:46,109 --> 00:34:43,810 to go with this because there's so many 855 00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:46,119 directions I would take it but you know 856 00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:48,429 one of the guys I really like who I've 857 00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:50,200 encountered on this show is a guy named 858 00:34:54,899 --> 00:34:52,419 ray Hernandez and he started this 859 00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:54,909 organization with dr. Edgar Mitchell you 860 00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:57,430 know the former astronaut yep and they 861 00:35:02,190 --> 00:34:59,910 started this organization all about 862 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:02,200 experiencers because they said hey this 863 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:05,800 UFO phenomena it's we're kind of looking 864 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:08,080 in the wrong way when we look at the 865 00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:09,770 sightings and all that what wait 866 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:10,670 not that there's anything wrong with 867 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:13,090 that but we need to focus on 868 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:15,590 experiencers and we need to focus on 869 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:17,750 their experience and we need to start 870 00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:20,510 looking at it in a systematic scientific 871 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:22,760 way and one of the things that he found 872 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:25,970 the big surprise finding is that you 873 00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:28,450 know the abduction term that we've been 874 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:31,550 told or conditioned to believe doesn't 875 00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:33,550 really fit and that most of these people 876 00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:36,440 this is different than your encounter 877 00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:38,540 because at least you don't have memories 878 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:40,580 of or can't say that you had a an 879 00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,850 abduction contact experience in that way 880 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:46,480 but the people who have many of them 881 00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:50,450 understand it over time as a spiritually 882 00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:52,550 transformative experience and in fact 883 00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:54,920 their experience lines up with the 884 00:36:00,700 --> 00:35:57,980 near-death experience so one of the 885 00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:00,710 findings from Ray's group was that hey 886 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:02,630 we've mischaracterized these things as 887 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:05,570 abductions for most people not for all 888 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:08,450 people but for most people it seems to 889 00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,370 be this kind of related to healing 890 00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:13,040 spiritual awakening kind of thing so 891 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:14,630 that was one of their findings and 892 00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:16,730 that's one things that I'm interested in 893 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:19,160 exploring and talking to you about but 894 00:36:23,380 --> 00:36:21,170 these are another part of this that's a 895 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:23,390 much kind of darker more sinister part 896 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:25,070 that we've touched down a little bit 897 00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:28,310 here and I see that in this story in 898 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:30,350 your story too I mean you had a direct 899 00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:33,530 experience so nothing can take that away 900 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:35,630 and I certainly don't want to take that 901 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:38,390 away but when I look at the roll out in 902 00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:41,810 December of 2017 of the tick-tack 903 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:45,080 encounter it looks like a PSYOP to me 904 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:47,810 not that the event wasn't real but the 905 00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:50,810 way that it was rolled out it sure seems 906 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:52,670 to me like it had a different purpose 907 00:36:57,070 --> 00:36:55,130 and I've interviewed Leslie Cain who I 908 00:36:58,660 --> 00:36:57,080 greatly liked in respect and who wrote 909 00:37:01,060 --> 00:36:58,670 the New York Times story I've 910 00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:01,070 interviewed her on this show but the 911 00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:03,710 story just doesn't add up 912 00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:06,350 or make sense that this 12-year old case 913 00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:08,990 that a lot of people know about became 914 00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:11,750 this centerpiece for this rollout it 915 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:15,550 seems to me like the plan was to somehow 916 00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:19,190 further this agenda of conditioning 917 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:21,800 everyone to the idea that this is real 918 00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:22,490 not that we 919 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:23,900 Genet conditioned them to it because it 920 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:26,920 is real but I wonder what the underlying 921 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:32,660 political / SIOP agenda is to this kind 922 00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:35,510 of controlled disclosure so let me went 923 00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:37,480 on for a long time they're in I'm glad 924 00:37:44,350 --> 00:37:41,300 that you and other people who were there 925 00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:44,360 first hand are taking control of the 926 00:37:51,460 --> 00:37:47,900 story I'm super glad about that but I'm 927 00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:51,470 not willing to just look away from the 928 00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:53,600 fact that the way this story was 929 00:37:59,740 --> 00:37:57,200 orchestrated rolled out and even you 930 00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,750 know Tom DeLonge seems like a great guy 931 00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:03,200 but when Tom DeLonge says well we had to 932 00:38:07,210 --> 00:38:04,640 figure out what was going on 933 00:38:09,130 --> 00:38:07,220 so we had to go to the government we had 934 00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:09,140 to go to the military we had to go to 935 00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:10,550 the guys who've been lying up there 936 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:13,100 lying out their ass for the last 50 937 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:15,770 years about this stuff it just doesn't 938 00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:18,110 ring true to me so I don't know if you 939 00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,600 have any thoughts on the controlled 940 00:38:25,810 --> 00:38:23,119 disclosure aspect of this or what the 941 00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,820 agenda is but if you do I'd love to hear 942 00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,400 it I think there's people that have come 943 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:31,040 to the same level of concern that I have 944 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:32,930 I hesitate to say this too but I'm I 945 00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:35,090 have what they call a high moral compass 946 00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:36,980 high ethical compass I'm most people 947 00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,320 consider me a pretty decent person but 948 00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,880 what if these effects happen to someone 949 00:38:46,570 --> 00:38:43,280 that does not like us someone that's 950 00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:46,580 malevolent right it's gonna affect them 951 00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:48,950 too just the same and what are they 952 00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:50,680 gonna do with their new abilities and 953 00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,960 did this all happen before enact equity 954 00:38:59,230 --> 00:38:56,560 you know it's not some pre diluvial 955 00:39:01,420 --> 00:38:59,240 civilization in it who did we did it end 956 00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:01,430 up going badly back then and could it 957 00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:04,190 happen again I I think that question is 958 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:07,220 the reason behind the way this is being 959 00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:09,290 rolled out I think there's people that 960 00:39:13,330 --> 00:39:11,300 really know about this stuff that are 961 00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:13,340 every bit are more concerned than I am 962 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:13,790 about it 963 00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:15,650 and I'm not saying it's a bad thing I I 964 00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:17,720 think this has to happen but I think 965 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:20,060 you're psyching I think I'm a good case 966 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:21,320 history for him because once I 967 00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,930 understood what was happening I was able 968 00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:25,760 to turn it around for good you know and 969 00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:29,270 improve myself and my condition up until 970 00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:31,220 that point I was struggle and I didn't 971 00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:33,140 know what the hell happened to me or why 972 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:35,150 I had changed or I didn't know what to 973 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:36,210 do where to go 974 00:39:41,090 --> 00:39:39,450 I figured I was just having trouble you 975 00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,100 know I was having trouble transitioning 976 00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:42,960 back into the Vienna civilian again and 977 00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:45,300 it turns out maybe that wasn't the case 978 00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:47,940 maybe there's really good reasons why 979 00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:49,470 the things happened to me the way they 980 00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,720 didn't so Kevin you you've kind of 981 00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:53,940 described a little bit where you plan to 982 00:40:00,140 --> 00:39:57,420 take this and the UFO conference coming 983 00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:00,150 up in Laughlin and you're out there 984 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,540 you're public about this you're doing 985 00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:06,480 this TV appearance that's going to be on 986 00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:09,390 national TV what other plans do you have 987 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,670 how much of this is going to be a part 988 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,200 of your life going forward and how much 989 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:14,820 of this do you plan I'm just kind of 990 00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:17,250 letting the wave pass and then just 991 00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:19,830 returning to your awesome life up there 992 00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:23,460 with the motherlode in Oregon I have 993 00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:25,830 determined that I'm gonna play a role in 994 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:28,590 helping to make people understand what's 995 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:30,690 about to happen in whatever way I can 996 00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,090 and I think that's it's starting now in 997 00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:35,400 fact and I hope to go to Congress to 998 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:38,340 testify I hope to talk to President 999 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:38,610 Trump 1000 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:41,730 personally about this just our 1001 00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,110 government takes starts to take this 1002 00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,180 seriously what makes you think that they 1003 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:47,160 haven't taken it seriously well that's 1004 00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:48,930 that's the point maybe they have and 1005 00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:50,190 that we just didn't know about it which 1006 00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:51,990 is fine I mean they maybe they have 1007 00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,310 their reasons that's the thing that 1008 00:40:58,070 --> 00:40:56,280 again I guess I can't resolve completely 1009 00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,080 so I have to dive back in there they 1010 00:41:03,050 --> 00:40:59,280 roll this thing out in the New York 1011 00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:03,060 Times December 2017 you know when 1012 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:05,550 Richard Dolan UFO researcher wrote a 1013 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:07,770 book a few years ago after disclosure 1014 00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,760 was the name of the book he had a idea 1015 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:13,680 of how things would happen that everyone 1016 00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,570 embraced and he said you know there will 1017 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,520 never be disclosure because the 1018 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:20,280 questions will never stop and then we 1019 00:41:24,980 --> 00:41:22,170 had disclosure and there were no 1020 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:24,990 questions so to me it's like the big 1021 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:27,870 head fake it's like know if tic-tac was 1022 00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:30,810 real then it's all [\h__\h] real the Foo 1023 00:41:36,140 --> 00:41:33,150 Fighters were real the ancient aliens 1024 00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,150 were real the 1950 contactees were real 1025 00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,060 all that [\h__\h] now has to be examined as 1026 00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,280 real the Travis Walton thing was real 1027 00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:43,920 all the stuff that they've held behind 1028 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,540 the dam with their little fingers in the 1029 00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:47,040 dam saying don't believe any of that 1030 00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:49,380 it's not real well you can't swing all 1031 00:41:56,090 --> 00:41:52,320 her and say oh yeah it is real but it 1032 00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:56,100 just happened this one time in 2004 off 1033 00:42:01,460 --> 00:41:58,500 the coast of San Diego that's that is 1034 00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:01,470 not the story that just doesn't add up 1035 00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,990 so if that's real then the whole thing's 1036 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:05,520 real and they've known about it all 1037 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:08,370 along certainly since the 50s because we 1038 00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:11,370 have the memos that say this is the most 1039 00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:14,820 highly guarded secret in the American 1040 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:16,980 government higher than the h-bomb and 1041 00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:18,930 they're not only looking at the physical 1042 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:20,550 parts of it but they're looking at the 1043 00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:23,970 mental aspects of it that's from the 1044 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:27,480 memo of Wilbert Smith that he wrote to 1045 00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:28,740 the Canadian government that was 1046 00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:30,510 released and the Freedom of Information 1047 00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:34,190 Act in Canada and that's in the 1950s so 1048 00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:38,910 they know [\h__\h] yes they know I have to 1049 00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:41,460 agree with you some there's people that 1050 00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:43,830 know yeah Alex maybe instead of dezirian 1051 00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,480 of our disdain maybe they're deserving 1052 00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,820 to medals because maybe they were 1053 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:49,800 protecting us for some reason I don't 1054 00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:51,570 know I I'm just saying that's possible 1055 00:42:55,850 --> 00:42:53,670 that's a great point let's just dive 1056 00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:55,860 into that a little bit because the US 1057 00:43:00,140 --> 00:42:57,720 military there's a lot of people who 1058 00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,150 want to crap on the US military or the 1059 00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,460 this big power in how we exercise our 1060 00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:05,280 power and how we destroy but the flip 1061 00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:08,070 side of that is take a look at the other 1062 00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,940 dominant powers in the world and maybe 1063 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:14,460 we ought to feel a little more grateful 1064 00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:18,090 that one particular power has emerged 1065 00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:20,580 and is flexing its muscles and is if 1066 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:21,960 somebody's going to control the world 1067 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:24,690 maybe they're doing to your point maybe 1068 00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:27,210 they're doing an okay job of controlling 1069 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:29,070 the world as it were I do have any 1070 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:31,530 thoughts on that I think it's entirely 1071 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:33,570 possible it's the one thing that makes 1072 00:43:37,070 --> 00:43:35,010 sense to me that let's assume the case 1073 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:37,080 that yeah the government does know about 1074 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:38,850 this or this faction of the government 1075 00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:40,650 that it's been dealing this with this 1076 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:43,320 for 75 years or more than that I have to 1077 00:43:48,850 --> 00:43:44,970 think that maybe they have damn good 1078 00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:48,860 reasons for not letting this come out 1079 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:50,910 what those reasons are I don't know I 1080 00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:53,610 just think it's possible I can't think 1081 00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,710 of any other reason why they wouldn't 1082 00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,780 want it to come out I mean we because 1083 00:44:02,240 --> 00:43:59,760 the problem you know that the technology 1084 00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:02,250 is pretty promising I mean like it could 1085 00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:03,500 solve our energy 1086 00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,400 for example you know worldwide right now 1087 00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:09,680 the flip side of that you know solve all 1088 00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:12,260 the world's energy problems is maybe not 1089 00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:14,150 a solution either like when we talk 1090 00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:16,220 about what might really be going on 1091 00:44:19,330 --> 00:44:17,660 behind the behind the scenes that we 1092 00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:19,340 don't understand there's a certain 1093 00:44:26,050 --> 00:44:21,710 equilibrium that's been established with 1094 00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:26,060 our energy use and consumption and if 1095 00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:27,950 you totally overnight throw that all out 1096 00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,070 of whack you talk about world chaos and 1097 00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:32,480 you talk about power shift and power 1098 00:44:36,430 --> 00:44:35,240 grab you know that might not be the best 1099 00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,440 thing either 1100 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:38,960 I don't know I'm totally speculating but 1101 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:40,130 I just think it's that kind of 1102 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:42,770 speculation at a deeper level that has 1103 00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:45,050 to happen in order for us to even begin 1104 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:47,270 to try and make sense of what the game 1105 00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,950 right really be do you know what I mean 1106 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:51,440 I do and I i hesitate to speculate 1107 00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:54,050 consistent it's really not my role in 1108 00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:56,060 this and there's lots of smart people 1109 00:44:59,849 --> 00:44:58,250 out there trying to figure this out 1110 00:45:02,349 --> 00:44:59,859 you've mentioned two of them you know 1111 00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:02,359 Valley and Davis for example there 1112 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:03,950 they've been on top of this for years 1113 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,930 now and you know I don't know what the 1114 00:45:09,849 --> 00:45:08,480 hell it was I just don't so I'm just I 1115 00:45:11,470 --> 00:45:09,859 decided a long time ago I wasn't gonna 1116 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:11,480 really speculate too much I have my 1117 00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:13,010 personal opinions but that's all they 1118 00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:14,990 are my message is pretty clear though 1119 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:16,790 right I want to convince people that 1120 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:20,330 this happened it really did happen and I 1121 00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:22,130 also want to convince people that to 1122 00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:24,859 expect changes if they ever encountered 1123 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:26,750 this type of thing themselves it's got 1124 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:28,910 it's going to change you there's no if 1125 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:32,089 an or abouts about it and I think part 1126 00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:33,410 of the reason why I was affected 1127 00:45:37,390 --> 00:45:36,230 probably to a greater degree than some 1128 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:37,400 of the other people in the strike group 1129 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:39,530 because I I in there just wasn't one 1130 00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:41,990 object Alex we there wasn't just one you 1131 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:45,320 a TA during the several days before the 1132 00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:47,450 adex event where we intercepted him and 1133 00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:50,140 then several days after I counted over 1134 00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,240 100 separate objects in the sky they 1135 00:45:57,820 --> 00:45:55,520 came in group between about 5 and 10 off 1136 00:46:00,579 --> 00:45:57,830 the coast of Catalina Island and just 1137 00:46:02,589 --> 00:46:00,589 kind of lazily tracked down to the South 1138 00:46:04,329 --> 00:46:02,599 off the coast of Mexico and there when I 1139 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:04,339 was seeing him there about 28,000 feet 1140 00:46:08,290 --> 00:46:05,930 going about 100 knots which is kind of 1141 00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,300 odd and we were really scratching our 1142 00:46:12,579 --> 00:46:10,160 heads I'd back-channel with some of my 1143 00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,589 friends and other ships I ascertained 1144 00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,760 that these things were real it wasn't 1145 00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:15,920 any type of malfunction yet it so anyway 1146 00:46:18,459 --> 00:46:16,369 I 1147 00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:18,469 after this now-famous commander flavor 1148 00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,420 intercept happened I went back up into 1149 00:46:23,289 --> 00:46:21,680 combat and I found one of these things 1150 00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:23,299 on the radar and they got the Relling 1151 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:24,950 relative bearing from the ship I went up 1152 00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:27,410 topside and I looked at that thing 1153 00:46:31,959 --> 00:46:29,900 through the bigeye binoculars and I 1154 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:31,969 think that's the moment when I I think 1155 00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:33,650 that if I had to say there was a moment 1156 00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:35,900 that was probably it when I saw with my 1157 00:46:38,979 --> 00:46:36,680 eyeball 1158 00:46:41,410 --> 00:46:38,989 whatever affected me happened in wow 1159 00:46:44,709 --> 00:46:41,420 that is a great part of the story but 1160 00:46:47,469 --> 00:46:44,719 I've never heard before because that is 1161 00:46:49,150 --> 00:46:47,479 a physical contact I mean it is a 1162 00:46:52,299 --> 00:46:49,160 physical contact in the sense that you 1163 00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:52,309 had visual visual confirmation of it and 1164 00:46:56,769 --> 00:46:54,140 you know I've avoided all of the 1165 00:46:59,140 --> 00:46:56,779 technical talk that sometimes gets drawn 1166 00:47:01,870 --> 00:46:59,150 into the describing of this because I 1167 00:47:03,099 --> 00:47:01,880 really wanted to highlight this part of 1168 00:47:04,959 --> 00:47:03,109 the story that you've done such an 1169 00:47:07,209 --> 00:47:04,969 awesome job and you're so honest and 1170 00:47:09,339 --> 00:47:07,219 forthright about bring about but for 1171 00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,349 those who are interested with the 1172 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:11,839 technical part you just covered it 1173 00:47:15,759 --> 00:47:13,729 beautifully but is there anything else 1174 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:15,769 to add that would put to rest 1175 00:47:23,229 --> 00:47:20,569 anyone's doubts about you know who saw 1176 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:23,239 this how they saw it what technology was 1177 00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:25,609 involved you know that people like to 1178 00:47:30,489 --> 00:47:28,190 hear about that stuff what can you tell 1179 00:47:32,799 --> 00:47:30,499 people that would who are in the know 1180 00:47:34,329 --> 00:47:32,809 that would let them know that one you 1181 00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:34,339 know what the hell you're doing you're a 1182 00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:37,369 Top Gun interceptor and yeah really 1183 00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:40,430 happened yeah I was an operational 1184 00:47:44,019 --> 00:47:41,960 specialist in the Navy we were basically 1185 00:47:46,539 --> 00:47:44,029 the radar I mean we're the guys that sit 1186 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:46,549 up in combat Information Center on the 1187 00:47:52,029 --> 00:47:48,890 small boys and combat directions Center 1188 00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:52,039 on the carriers and we are trained to 1189 00:47:56,620 --> 00:47:54,529 identify stuff around us that's what we 1190 00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,630 do and we have certain procedures and 1191 00:48:00,430 --> 00:47:58,160 protocols that every time I get a new 1192 00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,440 contact I go through certain steps to 1193 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:03,440 identify it these objects defied all 1194 00:48:07,769 --> 00:48:05,569 that we were unable to identify these 1195 00:48:09,279 --> 00:48:07,779 things and they still remain 1196 00:48:11,469 --> 00:48:09,289 unidentified 1197 00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:11,479 you were talking about highly highly 1198 00:48:16,539 --> 00:48:14,630 highly trained observers not to mention 1199 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:16,549 the pilots that's commander Faber I 1200 00:48:21,279 --> 00:48:19,609 believe had I know 18 years in the fna 1201 00:48:22,839 --> 00:48:21,289 18 at the time he made this intercept be 1202 00:48:24,219 --> 00:48:22,849 one of the most highly trained probably 1203 00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,229 one of the most highly trained pilots in 1204 00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:27,680 naval history actually and just you know 1205 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:29,780 if he says he saw it 1206 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:32,090 gonna believe him because he he does the 1207 00:48:35,710 --> 00:48:33,770 same type of stuff in his aircraft when 1208 00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:35,720 he you know he has to identify stuff and 1209 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:37,550 let me just interject because sometimes 1210 00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:40,730 when you guys retell this you're being 1211 00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:41,420 modest 1212 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:44,180 in a way that maybe obscures a story a 1213 00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:46,130 little bit you're top of the heap here 1214 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:49,960 top gun top dog guy at running this 1215 00:48:57,250 --> 00:48:53,930 orchestrating this array of the most 1216 00:48:59,350 --> 00:48:57,260 technical highly sophisticated machinery 1217 00:49:01,570 --> 00:48:59,360 in the world and you did it for 20 years 1218 00:49:04,090 --> 00:49:01,580 so this is something that happens on a 1219 00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:04,100 routine basis and hundreds of times 1220 00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,740 you've you've seen stuff that shows up 1221 00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:08,720 probably thousands of times I don't know 1222 00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:10,520 how many times and you go through the 1223 00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:12,470 same procedure and you go through all 1224 00:49:18,370 --> 00:49:14,840 you and you identify it or you don't 1225 00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:18,380 identify it so when you say this stood 1226 00:49:25,570 --> 00:49:21,980 apart from all those this was unique I 1227 00:49:26,530 --> 00:49:25,580 mean that is really saying something 1228 00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,540 right 1229 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:28,400 it is these objects that we encountered 1230 00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:29,810 I wasn't really concerned about them 1231 00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:31,640 being any type of threat because we were 1232 00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:33,460 off the coast of San Diego and they were 1233 00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:36,020 still quite a ways from the strike group 1234 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:39,800 in terms of miles but my my concern was 1235 00:49:43,570 --> 00:49:41,390 safety of flight when we started 1236 00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:43,580 launching aircraft to do the adex and 1237 00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:45,350 that's how I convinced captain red Smith 1238 00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:47,750 to agree to intercepting one of these 1239 00:49:52,810 --> 00:49:50,780 things so up up and to that point I knew 1240 00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:52,820 they were anomalous but I I don't know 1241 00:49:56,350 --> 00:49:54,830 if I was really thinking UFO at that 1242 00:49:58,450 --> 00:49:56,360 point because they hadn't done anything 1243 00:49:59,950 --> 00:49:58,460 strange there were 28,000 feet going 100 1244 00:50:03,550 --> 00:49:59,960 knots which you string but not really 1245 00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:03,560 that strange I guess let me just jump in 1246 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:04,790 there let me just jump in there I hate 1247 00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:06,710 to probe that but you know I've heard 1248 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:09,380 you say that over and over again do you 1249 00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:12,770 ever look back and wonder if there isn't 1250 00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:15,950 some mind-control aspect to that because 1251 00:50:21,580 --> 00:50:18,280 it to me that sounds extraordinarily 1252 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:21,590 strange it also sounds extraordinary 1253 00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:23,930 that everyone else is seeing it and 1254 00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:25,580 everyone else is going 1255 00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:27,740 oh yeah that's what's supposed to happen 1256 00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:30,110 and I gotta interject cuz I was telling 1257 00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,750 you a minute ago about the story with my 1258 00:50:36,670 --> 00:50:34,880 friend ray Hernandez who started the 1259 00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:36,680 free group he's not only a guy who's 1260 00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:38,750 researched but he's an experiencer and 1261 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:40,430 his experience I'll make this really 1262 00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:42,170 brief but I can't help but feel it 1263 00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:43,670 relates to your story 1264 00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:46,190 he and his wife are in their bed one 1265 00:50:52,330 --> 00:50:48,710 night and his wife jumps up out of bed 1266 00:50:54,490 --> 00:50:52,340 cuz there's this glowing white orb down 1267 00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:54,500 in the room and she runs down there with 1268 00:50:58,930 --> 00:50:56,150 their little dog that is gonna be put 1269 00:51:00,550 --> 00:50:58,940 down the next day and when we say that 1270 00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:00,560 cuz the dog gets healed as part of this 1271 00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:03,110 experience but Rey follows his wife down 1272 00:51:07,570 --> 00:51:05,270 there and this his wife is now having 1273 00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:07,580 this extraordinary experience encounter 1274 00:51:14,110 --> 00:51:10,700 with this intelligent orb and you know 1275 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:14,120 what Rey's thought is oh this is nothing 1276 00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:16,490 I should go back upstairs and go to 1277 00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:19,910 sleep and he walks back upstairs and he 1278 00:51:26,110 --> 00:51:22,880 gets in his bed and he goes to sleep and 1279 00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:26,120 that is a story that gets retold over 1280 00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:29,740 and over and over with these encounter 1281 00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:33,440 experiences it just doesn't add up 1282 00:51:37,540 --> 00:51:35,870 so I'm a I don't want to lead you but 1283 00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:37,550 when I hear that part of the story it's 1284 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:40,070 like oh yeah I didn't pay any attention 1285 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:43,010 to him cuz they were flying at a hundred 1286 00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,090 knots super slow at how many thousand 1287 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:49,280 feet and they were just way up in this 1288 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:52,490 guy I mean do you think do you think 1289 00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,930 there's anything to that that you 1290 00:51:58,570 --> 00:51:56,000 weren't drawn to that and that the other 1291 00:52:01,150 --> 00:51:58,580 people around you weren't drawn to that 1292 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:01,160 yeah a lot of people ask me why do why 1293 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:04,250 didn't we do something sooner why did we 1294 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:06,170 wait so long well it's kind of 1295 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:07,370 complicated we didn't have any aircraft 1296 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:09,770 available to us and until we did out 1297 00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,450 there at sea they flew on board the 1298 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:13,040 carrier landed and they set up shop and 1299 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:15,410 everything but at the moment I had 1300 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:17,930 aircraft to work with I recommended that 1301 00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:20,810 we go intercept one and that's when I've 1302 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:22,940 really understood that we were looking 1303 00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:25,610 at UFOs because as soon as commander 1304 00:52:31,060 --> 00:52:27,710 flavor started approaching it that's 1305 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,070 when it did the anomalous maneuvers like 1306 00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:33,760 drop in from 28,000 feet down to 50 feet 1307 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:36,110 just above the surface of the ocean in 1308 00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:38,930 less than a second zooming us out of you 1309 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:41,420 know over the horizon away from him in 1310 00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:44,570 about the same amount of time that's you 1311 00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:46,100 know what can do that that's that's when 1312 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:47,900 I became convinced that this we were 1313 00:52:52,270 --> 00:52:50,450 looking at UFOs up into that point I was 1314 00:52:53,710 --> 00:52:52,280 I had my mind was open about it I did I 1315 00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:53,720 wasn't I didn't know what to think I 1316 00:52:57,250 --> 00:52:55,700 just knew what they weren't I didn't 1317 00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:57,260 know what they were do I think 1318 00:53:00,730 --> 00:52:58,640 your theory as possible yeah I do 1319 00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:00,740 actually do it I don't want to say we 1320 00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:02,750 were dumbed down to not paying attention 1321 00:53:06,910 --> 00:53:05,060 to him the looking back it may be a kind 1322 00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:06,920 of feels that way I think you might be 1323 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:07,310 right 1324 00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:08,450 we should have done something sooner 1325 00:53:12,099 --> 00:53:10,430 maybe I don't know should have is is a 1326 00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:12,109 part of it you know I mean with the 1327 00:53:16,270 --> 00:53:14,180 Valais Davis I mean that's just right in 1328 00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:16,280 there that's just right right in the 1329 00:53:20,830 --> 00:53:18,320 smack of it smack in the middle of it is 1330 00:53:23,470 --> 00:53:20,840 that you know that's part of part of the 1331 00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:23,480 experience you have a really important 1332 00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:25,400 story to tell and you're incredibly 1333 00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:29,420 brave I really commend you and the moral 1334 00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:31,460 compass part of what you're saying just 1335 00:53:35,830 --> 00:53:34,190 comes through in spades and that is so 1336 00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:35,840 important in the telling of this story 1337 00:53:44,890 --> 00:53:41,240 so whoever picked you they picked the 1338 00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,900 right guy and I appreciate it and I 1339 00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:46,640 appreciate you coming on sceptical and 1340 00:53:52,090 --> 00:53:49,790 telling the story if people want to read 1341 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:52,100 your book is that a good way for them to 1342 00:53:57,609 --> 00:53:55,130 learn more about this and how would they 1343 00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,619 go about doing that I see the link maybe 1344 00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:59,680 you can set it up on your blog 1345 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:00,859 absolutely 1346 00:54:05,050 --> 00:54:03,170 so this online it's free and I encourage 1347 00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:05,060 people to read it that is actually an 1348 00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:06,590 interesting little tale and strangely 1349 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:07,580 enough I don't know if you've had the 1350 00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,170 chance to read it but part of that 1351 00:54:13,450 --> 00:54:11,359 fictional story that I weave two guys 1352 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:13,460 matching the description by the way of 1353 00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:15,650 shock Italian force come to visit me in 1354 00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:18,590 that book I didn't get to that part but 1355 00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,820 that isn't that because the book and it 1356 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:24,800 takes place here there it takes place in 1357 00:54:28,359 --> 00:54:26,810 the calmy officers wilderness okay okay 1358 00:54:30,099 --> 00:54:28,369 we got it we got a dig into that right 1359 00:54:32,740 --> 00:54:30,109 because you published a book in what 1360 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:32,750 year in 2008 and what year did they cut 1361 00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:35,810 16 the spring of 16 and they came and 1362 00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:39,350 visited you in the spring of 2016 and 1363 00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:42,380 you wrote it in the book in 2008 and 1364 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:45,020 when they came in 2016 they said yeah 1365 00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:46,910 Kevin this is about to go down and 1366 00:54:50,830 --> 00:54:48,800 you're in the middle of it and it goes 1367 00:54:53,170 --> 00:54:50,840 down and you're in the middle of it yeah 1368 00:54:55,330 --> 00:54:53,180 but it was very cryptic they did they 1369 00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:55,340 didn't remember they didn't I didn't 1370 00:54:58,510 --> 00:54:56,540 know they were here because of the 1371 00:55:00,550 --> 00:54:58,520 tic-tac story right right I didn't 1372 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:00,560 figure that out totally but he left me 1373 00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:02,690 enough hints they left me enough enough 1374 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:04,790 hints that I was able to deduce that 1375 00:55:08,890 --> 00:55:07,250 later I mean when shock they told me 1376 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:08,900 that I was incredibly important to 1377 00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:10,450 what's about to happen 1378 00:55:15,089 --> 00:55:13,660 I didn't know what to think I knew they 1379 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:15,099 were two strange guys I just kind of 1380 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:18,130 brushed it off um they were definitely 1381 00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:20,140 here to see me about tic-tac I think I 1382 00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:23,140 think they were trash hey Kevin he's 1383 00:55:27,059 --> 00:55:24,059 still there 1384 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:27,069 over six full in there visit with me cuz 1385 00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:30,730 I they they may have uh-oh I'm getting 1386 00:55:36,210 --> 00:55:34,180 weird noises can you hear me I mean I 1387 00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:36,220 never make any big deal about the Skype 1388 00:55:41,099 --> 00:55:38,140 stuff cuz everybody has problems with 1389 00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:41,109 that type but isn't it yeah for the for 1390 00:55:46,289 --> 00:55:43,720 it to be right in mid-sentence of that 1391 00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:46,299 part of the story for the whole thing to 1392 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:48,520 drop I mean isn't that a little bit 1393 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:52,930 strange yeah I'm I'm absolutely positive 1394 00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:55,210 um being monitored I've been told that 1395 00:55:59,220 --> 00:55:57,400 and I believe it I know our Facebook 1396 00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:59,230 groups being monitored i I know I'm 1397 00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:00,400 personally being watched 1398 00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,780 it doesn't really scare me because I 1399 00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:03,599 don't really have anything to hide 1400 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:05,950 that's just part it's just part of the 1401 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:08,290 fact pattern here I remember last week 1402 00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,970 when we tried to do this show and my 1403 00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:12,400 computer my mouse took control of itself 1404 00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:14,380 and it was opening and closing documents 1405 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:16,540 all by itself like two minutes before 1406 00:56:20,430 --> 00:56:18,730 the show started I couldn't control the 1407 00:56:24,809 --> 00:56:20,440 computer I had to do a hard reset on it 1408 00:56:29,549 --> 00:56:24,819 so yeah I'm I'm convinced that we're 1409 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:29,559 being monitored here Alex and I and I 1410 00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:31,210 can only hope and pray that I'm doing 1411 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:33,220 that I'm doing the right thing doing 1412 00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:34,930 what you're supposed to be doing I hear 1413 00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:37,270 you hope and pray that's all we got 1414 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:39,400 yeah Kevin again our guest has been 1415 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:41,770 Kevin day it's been absolutely great 1416 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:44,290 having you on and I hope we stay in 1417 00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,210 touch and I will be following your work 1418 00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:48,640 the best I can because I do think like 1419 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:52,000 they said you're right in the middle of 1420 00:56:57,180 --> 00:56:54,490 this for whatever reason and I hope to 1421 00:57:00,180 --> 00:56:57,190 fulfill that rule yep thank you alright 1422 00:57:02,609 --> 00:57:00,190 so that'll do it is everything good on 1423 00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,619 your end in terms of what we covered 1424 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:04,720 there I just wanted to make sure we 1425 00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,010 throw out a good pitch for the UFO 1426 00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:08,319 Megacon coming up in March because we're 1427 00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,150 gonna have a military military panel 1428 00:57:14,190 --> 00:57:11,920 there with some of the whistleblowers 1429 00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:14,200 let's just add that in you bet people 1430 00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:16,780 could go on online and go to UF UFO 1431 00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:20,430 Megacon calm it's UFO Megacon calm and 1432 00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:23,920 it's gonna be the last week of March 29 1433 00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:26,110 I believe the dates are 25 to 30 March 1434 00:57:32,190 --> 00:57:28,750 in Laughlin of that at the Aquarius 1435 00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,200 Hotel and Casino there's gonna be 48 1436 00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:34,960 speakers some pretty recognizable names 1437 00:57:38,250 --> 00:57:36,460 I just learned that George Noory is 1438 00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:38,260 gonna show up for example there's also 1439 00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:40,270 gonna be a military panel and bobkid 1440 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:42,550 yuxin to be doing we're all going to be 1441 00:57:45,570 --> 00:57:44,050 sitting around in chairs and just kind 1442 00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:45,580 of an in discussion about what happened 1443 00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:48,280 and Bob Brown and Lorien Fenton and 1444 00:57:52,050 --> 00:57:50,110 Melinda Leslie have put together some 1445 00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,060 really good packages to make this thing 1446 00:57:58,410 --> 00:57:53,920 as affordable as possible for people 1447 00:58:01,230 --> 00:57:58,420 who've had contact or think they may 1448 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:01,240 have had contact related experiences 1449 00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:04,530 I've heard that these conferences can be 1450 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:08,350 incredibly healing and I wonder if you 1451 00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:10,540 want to speak to that because yeah 1452 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:12,040 you're right I think part of the reason 1453 00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:15,010 why they get portrayed as and I've only 1454 00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:17,230 been to a couple but you know the the 1455 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:20,320 tinfoil hats thing no it's like people 1456 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:24,220 trying to resolve stuff that's very real 1457 00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:26,890 in their life is what I see most of the 1458 00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:29,080 time I'm very much looking forward to 1459 00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:30,220 that I want to talk to some of these 1460 00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:31,510 doctors about what I've been going 1461 00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:31,840 through 1462 00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:34,270 I think it'll definitely help me there's 1463 00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:35,680 no question in my mind that I will I 1464 00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:37,990 will be all by going there thanks again 1465 00:58:41,550 --> 00:58:39,550 to Kevin Dave for joining me today on 1466 00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:41,560 skeptical the one question I'd have to 1467 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:44,380 tee up from this interview is what do 1468 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:46,930 you make of Kevin's message again his 1469 00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:49,450 message is twofold it's happening that 1470 00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:51,580 is not just the role lot of UFO 1471 00:58:58,020 --> 00:58:54,520 information he's alluding to something 1472 00:59:02,580 --> 00:58:58,030 more happening to the possibility of a 1473 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:02,590 more widespread mass encounter with this 1474 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:09,010 well whatever it is UFO et consciousness 1475 00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:11,890 thing so he's alluding to that and he's 1476 00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:14,740 alluding to the fact that he suspects 1477 00:59:22,290 --> 00:59:18,070 that when you encounter it it will 1478 00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:22,300 change you in some fundamental ways like 1479 00:59:28,290 --> 00:59:25,990 it did him and he points to foul a Davis 1480 00:59:31,059 --> 00:59:28,300 is documenting these and also points to 1481 00:59:34,989 --> 00:59:31,069 the fact that many contactees have 1482 00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:34,999 talked about it in similar ways that is 1483 00:59:41,949 --> 00:59:37,729 a lot to process what do you make of it 1484 00:59:45,819 --> 00:59:41,959 a good warning or somewhat controlled 1485 00:59:48,819 --> 00:59:45,829 messaging or both I said this was gonna 1486 00:59:51,849 --> 00:59:48,829 be multi-layered a deep dive down the 1487 00:59:55,449 --> 00:59:51,859 rabbit hole boy this is among the 1488 00:59:57,939 --> 00:59:55,459 deepest that I can remember so I'm gonna 1489 00:59:59,789 --> 00:59:57,949 need your help tell me where we should 1490 01:00:03,849 --> 00:59:59,799 go from here tell me where we should go 1491 01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:03,859 with this join me on the skeptical forum 1492 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:06,799 and let me know your thoughts that's 1493 01:00:10,689 --> 01:00:08,690 going to do it for this episode I have 1494 01:00:12,699 --> 01:00:10,699 some more great ones coming up please 1495 01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:12,709 stay with me for all of that until next 1496 01:00:31,590 --> 01:00:16,520 time take care and bye for now 1497 01:00:36,250 --> 01:00:34,359 so thanks for watching this video if it 1498 01:00:38,830 --> 01:00:36,260 wasn't really a video but just an audio 1499 01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,840 stored as a video well I apologize but 1500 01:00:42,340 --> 01:00:40,400 there's more videos out there as well 1501 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:42,350 but please check out the skeptic Oh 1502 01:00:45,550 --> 01:00:44,210 website you can see it here we cover a 1503 01:00:48,370 --> 01:00:45,560 lot of different stuff you might be 1504 01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:48,380 interested in relating to controversial 1505 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:51,710 science and spirituality a lot of shows 1506 01:00:57,250 --> 01:00:54,410 up there over 350 of them are so all 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